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The latest installment in an ongoing interview series with contributing editor Mark Bauerlein. On this episode, Ryan T. Anderson and Mark discuss why conservatives shouldn’t limit themselves to procedural arguments in the culture war—we need to emphasize our substantive moral commitments as well as our religious-liberty protections.

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